Psychopath, Sociopath, Antisocial Personality: Work and RP

By | November 15, 2010

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I need to preface this post with the statement that I am not (legally speaking) a Qualified Mental Health Professional in my state. I do have over eleven years of experience of working with juveniles with extremely difficult mental health behaviors; however, I cannot provide a diagnosis. My role is limited to providing treatment–in a limited context–to kids involved with the juvenile justice system. So while I am familiar with a number of mental health issues, definitions and treatments, I’m not the guy who can prescribe treatments or medications. I can draw from, and comment on, my experiences, training and eduction on mental health concerns. Just do not ask me for a diagnosis.

Last week on twitter, I asked if anyone wanted to read about my thoughts on psychopaths and sociopaths for RP. While it wasn’t an overwhelming response, there was a hint of interest. First, some definitions:

Technically, there is no such thing as a psychopath. Sociopaths don’t exist either. Both of these terms are, in current mental health lingo, as useless as the term subconscious. These are terms– for literature and pop culture. In the field, we tend to call it “Antisocial Personality Disorder.” While it is true that clinicians are currently arguing about adding terms to the next incarnation of the American Mental Health Bible, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as it stands right now Psychopathy is not measured in the DSM.

We do use the word psychopathy–and Psychopathy– in my field. We prefer that term over sociopath as someone has started to define and measure traits within Psychopaths. Robert Hare’s Psychopathy Checklist-Revised is a clinical measure that was created to measure Psychopathy and anti-social traits within an individual. The tool has been researched and validated for a number of populations. Antisocial Personality Disorder is the clinical diagnosis given to individuals who have high scores on the PCL-R. Sociopath, while used by some people in the field, does not have a clinical definition. Given the lack of any clinical definition for sociopath, I’m going to drop its use entirely; furthermore, while I am concerned about labeling a client with APD at say 15, that is a post for an entirely different blog. What does concern me is using proper terms when discussing these matters, even when discussing these matters for RP.

If you want to play a person that has Antisocial Personality Disorder, I would recommend the following things:

1) Talk with your circle.
Psychopathy is a dark subject. These are not well adjust people, nor do the change easily. In fact, most trainings I’ve attended have stressed the point that people with APD actually get worse if they receive treatment: They learn how to mask their predatory behaviors with treatment-speak. They learn what to say and how to act–just long enough to get someone’s trust in order to hurt them. If you want to play this kind of character, then you have to be able to explain this to the people you RP with and be able to accept the consequences of this PCs bad behavior.

2) Look up the traits.

One might think that this would be better first step; however, given how collaborative RP is, I think it is better to give people a head up before dropping a well researched APD in their lap.  The  traits for the PCL can be found here. I thought about linking them directly, but I was worried that someone would look at them and say, “omfg Bricu posted the traits of a psychopath and I have most of them!” The PCL has advanced degree requirements because an evaluator needs to be able to suss out the differences between normal human failings and a personality that is prone to violent behaviors. I want to focus on four particularly problematic traits:

  • 1. Cunning/manipulative
  • 2. Lack of remorse or guilt
  • 3. Shallow affect
  • 4. Callous/lack of empathy
  • Affect means observable emotional response. A shallow affect, then, means a deadpan when displaying most emotion. The rest of these traits are fairly self explanatory. All of these traits can be RPed by a character with the Azeroth equivalent of APD. Shallow affect can be be demonstrated through /say and /em, while lack of remorse, lack of empathy and manipulative behavior can be demonstrated in a variety of RP sessions. Here is an example of from my experiences working in the field.

    Jenga–not his real name–called his mother. She was completely distraught over the news that he would be held in custody for failing to progress in his treatment. The staff member monitoring the phone call was playing Tetris on the computer while Jenga tried to convince his mother to come up for a “long visit before jail-time” even though she had to work. Jenga’s tone of voice never changed. Instead, he started to watch the staff play Tetris. Over the course of the phone call, Jenga became more interested in playing Tetris than in consoling his mother. He did not care if she was upset. He just wanted her to come up and visit.

    It was later discovered that Jenga was using some previously established code to try and get his mother to bring him contraband–food, money–to his treatment facility. Jenga also had a list of what he wanted to do to each and every staff member at the facility. Most of these behaviors involved killing staff members.

    Jenga had no regrets. The only time he would display more affect was when he was humiliated. This prompted him to plan more ways of manipulating supervisors and case managers to investigate staff. Jenga was, in my estimation, the most dangerous kid I worked with.

    Tomorrow, we’ll continue to discuss these traits and how you can incorporate Antisocial Personality types into your RP.


    6 Comments

    Bika on November 15, 2010 at 10:25 pm.

    That’s some pretty chilling shit, right there.

    Stephanie on November 16, 2010 at 1:08 am.

    When I first had Thallis in mind for a character, I did want her to exhibit signs of APD, if not a full-on condition. Being brought up in poverty, around disgruntled and hostile Stonemasons… well, the environment fit perfectly to shape her in that way, and honestly, the idea of RPing someone so opposite to my own alignment intrigued me. However, jumping into an RP circle with an antisocial character is never an easy feat, so I had to tone down her personality quite considerably to make her likable to others, even if she runs by strict rules of loyalty to whatever organization makes it worth her while, instead of emotional and personal ties.

    I know you’re focusing on how to incorporate it into an RP setting in the next post, but I wanted to share my original incarnation of Thallis here while it was relevant. With Cata rolling around, and my trip to Japan in the near future, I would like to get back into her RP, but more true to her personality. Not so much as an anti-hero (aren’t we all considered “heroes” while questing?), but one that’s able to have connections to the darker underbelly of what RP could potentially be.

    tl;dr I’m publicly admitting that this is a subject that is relevant to my interests.

    Bricu on November 16, 2010 at 1:05 pm.

    From my understanding, Thallis is concerned with her community and her family. APD would mean she is only out for herself. If Thallis has a connection to anyone–a connection that she actually values–and she can display emotions, I would argue that you’re doing a good job of incorporating some of the aspects of APD without going totally squicky.

    Itanya Blade on November 16, 2010 at 1:58 pm.

    I know we joke around that Dorri and Kel are psychopathic, but I know they are not.

    Both of them are damaged, but they do care about some of the people around them. Still, they are both difficult to deal with at times. Personally, I haven’t toned down Dorri’s personality as much as she’s grown to recognize that some of her behaviors offended people she doesn’t want to offend.

    I have, however, played someone that fits these bills. This was Dorri’s younger brother and I could never play Razkiel for very long because it was horribly disturbing.

    Dariahn on November 16, 2010 at 4:22 pm.

    I really like the idea of this series of posts. I don’t have any characters that fit or are intended to fit the description of APD specifically – I had a Forsaken with Borderline Personality Disorder before I killed the poor girl off, and her mildly dissociative Death Knight brother – but I think psychological realism is extremely important in any setting. Thank you so much for writing this!

    Sarai on November 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm.

    This is actually really interesting, because of my new character, Rillian. Because of the way he grew up, Rill really only cares about two things- himself and his hippogryphs. He’s not a total psychopath, however- he does have and show feelings, he’s just…. indifferent to what others think, I guess. Lark is the closest friend he has, and he values that friendship highly, but if he was to ever become friends with anyone else then the other person would have to work hard at it.

    That being said, I do have some trouble staying in character with him, simply because his personality is so different from mine. Hence why he hasn’t seen much RP time yet.



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